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[QUOTE="Lamp:1269021"]That's what I'm saying, hardcore is a pretty cut and paste genre, while all those bands mash so many more influences together, it doesn't really make sense to lump them into that category. Converge I would say is metal influenced hardcore, though they have some other stuff as well... hell, you could say they are a quintessential metalcore band, given that what typically gets referred to as metalcore these days is nu-metalcore in the same way that bands like Five Finger Death Punch get called metal by morons... the word needs to be taken back by people who listen to better music. I don't really see what Botch has to do with hardcore, they aren't a fast band whatsoever from what I remember (I haven't listened to them since I was in high school) but from a riff standpoint they fit in the same category as Converge... I may be an asshole for posting this in this thread too, but I've never actually listened to Coalesce so I can't even say anything about them. But the point still stands, the word metalcore needs to be taken back and not seen as sacrilege, nu-metalcore needs to be used for the modern metalcore dreck, and the real metalcore is what I would call these bands.[/QUOTE]
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