Failure...[views:7304][posts:95]__________________________________ [Apr 6,2006 11:49pm - F.A.C.E. ""] You're a winner in my book....I've never read it, but I hear it's good.. |
| ________________________________________________ [Apr 6,2006 11:52pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] haha i dont know whats worse to be called a winner or a loser, hmm where the kid who was calling me a hippie |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 6,2006 11:56pm - Hoser NLI ""] I farted.....does that count? |
| ________________________________________________ [Apr 6,2006 11:57pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] Hoser NLI said:I farted.....does that count? i suppose cause im lucky enough to not have to deal with it. |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 12:08am - CTborderpatrol ""] no matter what laws are on the books, we're only as free as we act as a people |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 3:24am - sacreligion ""] you can't make assumptions off of the actions of a couple douchebags just as you can't assume the government is wrong because of 20 years of corruption human beings are a race that have been around for millions of years and with each passing century something new and innovative happens to override the times before it hooray life |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 3:25am - sacreligion ""] oh yeah...man of the century is one of my friends from the sticks |
| ___________________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 7:34am - Man_of_the_Century ""] You're more from the sticks than I am... |
| ______________________________ [Apr 7,2006 10:41am - Yeti ""] so because you have had a few bad experiences with cops that means that this country is devoid of freedom? i've been treated like shit by cops countless times, but that doesnt mean i am going to strike up a vendetta simply because i didnt agree with the way i was treated. and look at it from their point of view. i'm sure they werent thinking "hey lets go fuck with that dude and take away his freedom". i'm sure you arent 100% innocent. |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 11:02am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Cops are enemies of freedom. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 12:00pm - HailTheLeaf ""] whiskey_weed_and_women said: how about being pulled over at 4:30am in the morning on the way to your second job and lied to about having a headlight out when both of them are clearly on and visible to then be asked if youve been drinking and then given a 350 ticket for having your high beams on when you dont. ha, that cop was fun...no reasonable cause to pull you over or anything. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 12:11pm - HailTheLeaf ""] Yeti said:what you are claiming as freedom is purely idealistic. WELCOME TO REALITY! you cant just run around doing whatever the fuck you want, that is called ANARCHY, as i previously stated. we need law, rule, and control. people cant function on their own, they need to be guided. yes i disagree with the marijuana law, but nothing is perfect. it takes time before things change. you cant have it the way you want it just because you think its right. you are free to do as you please, but there are repercussions. you just want to be able to do whatever you want without having to deal with any after effects. you want that? go live in the woods. freedom is allowing you to type what you want on a computer all the while sitting and living the hippy life. go to Iraq and tell me we arent free. you are free to practice religion as you wish, free to go to the store to buy porn, free to eat and drink whatever you want, whenever you want. you want lawless freedom. go over to Rwanda. technically they are "free" as they have no real government. tell me how it goes. Nice try, Anarchism is actually when people control their own lives, and make their own decisions instead of having someone they've never met before make decisions for them. It's being self-reliant and helping everyone else, like having co-ops instead of corporations so everyone has an equal share, and there are no bosses, you get back what you put in, you profit from your hard work instead of others profiting from your work while you starve. It's about no taxation without representation, and not following laws that you had no say in making that serve no purpose but to limit your personal freedom. Here's the only law we need, do whatever you want so long as you're not hurting anyone or anything else. |
| ________________________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 12:26pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] Yeti said:strike up a vendetta dood this is message board, i think youre taking this a lil too seriously if i was talking shit about this at every show we played or was making it up on the evening news about this then yeah that would be a vendetta this is me telling your friend what ive witnessed first hand. i dont know what truely goes on cause i cant see what other people. but yeah i believe if theres one asshole who has power and abuses it im sure theres a lot more. oh yeah where the fuck are my cookies |
| ______________________________ [Apr 7,2006 12:39pm - Yeti ""] fair enough. i can agree with that. however Hailtheleaf, that is precisely what i pointed out as idealistic. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 12:41pm - HailTheLeaf ""] How can that be idealistic when other societies have done it? |
| ______________________________ [Apr 7,2006 12:42pm - Yeti ""] such as? |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 12:46pm - eddie(nli) ""] haha what? what utopia have i missed? i think you need to go back to idea that a democratic republic is the worst type of government, except all those before it. |
| ________________________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 12:50pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] i think you're all forgetting the real factor here. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG TITS |
| ___________________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 1:28pm - Man_of_the_Century ""] HailTheLeaf said:Nice try, Anarchism is actually when people control their own lives, and make their own decisions instead of having someone they've never met before make decisions for them. It's being self-reliant and helping everyone else, like having co-ops instead of corporations so everyone has an equal share, and there are no bosses, you get back what you put in, you profit from your hard work instead of others profiting from your work while you starve. It's about no taxation without representation, and not following laws that you had no say in making that serve no purpose but to limit your personal freedom. Anarchism is not that. Anarchism is the breakdown and elimination of law and government. Anywho... nothing you just said would ever work. You basically just described Communism, and we all know how well that works. People want to do the least amount of work and get the maximum payout. If everyone could think and work the same way, it could be pulled off. Its just not realistic. With the law thing, its virtually impossible to have all 298,465,836 people in the U.S. vote on every law that gets made. If you got an idea I'd love to hear it. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 2:14pm - HailTheLeaf ""] Man_of_the_Century said:HailTheLeaf said:Nice try, Anarchism is actually when people control their own lives, and make their own decisions instead of having someone they've never met before make decisions for them. It's being self-reliant and helping everyone else, like having co-ops instead of corporations so everyone has an equal share, and there are no bosses, you get back what you put in, you profit from your hard work instead of others profiting from your work while you starve. It's about no taxation without representation, and not following laws that you had no say in making that serve no purpose but to limit your personal freedom. Anarchism is not that. Anarchism is the breakdown and elimination of law and government. Anywho... nothing you just said would ever work. You basically just described Communism, and we all know how well that works. People want to do the least amount of work and get the maximum payout. If everyone could think and work the same way, it could be pulled off. Its just not realistic. With the law thing, its virtually impossible to have all 298,465,836 people in the U.S. vote on every law that gets made. If you got an idea I'd love to hear it. Isn't that what I just described? If there wasn't a government here, then we'd control our own lives. It would work, co-ops work. Anarchism and Communism are 2 different things, I'm describing the Anarchist view. We could easily vote locally about each law that affects us, without a government and an economy, you'd need fewer laws anyways. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 2:16pm - HailTheLeaf ""] Yeti said:such as? almost every indigenous tribe that has yet to be destoyed by greedy white people |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 3:17pm - SacreligionNLI ""] go become an aborigine then...hippie have fun with the flies, disease, famine, and drought |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 3:19pm - RichHorror ""] People that complain about anything while sitting on the internet are hysterical. |
| _____________________________ [Apr 7,2006 3:21pm - Yeti ""] your ideas are so outrageous. you stated not to compare to other countries, as i did with Iraq, yet you compare your ideas to indigenous tribes? have you ever lived with one? you make it sound like they live in a wonderful magical land where everyone gets along and peace and happiness enuse because there is "freedom" from law. your society would work if every single person did and agreed on the same thing ie. COMMUNISM. there will always be resistance. if you were to live the life you claim is "utopian" for a year, you would be crawling back to civilization and law. if you werent dead. |
| _____________________________ [Apr 7,2006 3:23pm - Yeti ""] see i have nothing else to do while at work except think. when i am on my own time the last thing i want to do is sit in front of a computer bickering over pointless crap. it just passes the time at work. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 3:23pm - BornSoVile ""] YOU GUYS FUCKING SUCK AT INTERNET FIGHTING. LAME. |
| _____________________________ [Apr 7,2006 3:25pm - Yeti ""] enlighten me, oh wise one |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 3:27pm - BornSoVile ""] WHAT WHOULD INFOTERROR SAY???? |
| _____________________________ [Apr 7,2006 3:28pm - Yeti ""] fair enough |
| ___________________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 3:29pm - Man_of_the_Century ""] HailTheLeaf said:Isn't that what I just described? Partly... What you described was more of a combination of the two. Anarchism is just getting rid of laws and government. It has nothing to do with living in harmony where everyone does an equal share and gets an equal cut. That part is communism, and if you put that part into the scheme of things, you have a form of government. Therefore, Anarchism is gone. You can either have one or the other. If you were to have a local vote, you would have to hold an election every other day. How would you include them in the discussions about the laws in order to change them to something you like better? How would you educate the public on what the bills are, what they are for, the reason for making them (thats the big one, cause you still have congressmen that don't know what half of that stuff is)? |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 3:36pm - BornSoVile ""] WHAT A BUNCH OF RIGHT WING CRY BABIES, ALL THIS I'M SMARTER THAN YOU SHIT, YOU GUYS ARE THE BIG EXPERTS ON LEFT WING IDEALOGY. GET OFF THE COMPUTER, PAY YOUR FUCKING BILLS, AND STOP CRYING AND DENYING THAT GEORGE BUSH ISN'T A FAILURE. AND ALL THIS EVERYTHING IS PERFECT, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH AMERICA TALK IS RETARDED AND WILL ULTIMATELY PROVE OUR DOWNFALL. YOU FAGS ARE SCARED THAT SHIT WORKS BETTER THAN DEMOCRACY. SUCK IT UP, GET OVER IT AND MOVE TO UTAH. I AM GOING TO SMOKE POT AND DRINK BEER. I'LL PUT YOU GUYS DOWN ALOT MORE LATER, CALL UP ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND GIRLFRIENDS, TELL THEM BIG JAWSHY IS TEARING IT UP ON RTTP AND HE NEEDS TO BE STOPPED. SERIOUSLY GUYS. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 3:39pm - RichHorror ""] BornSoVile said:CALL UP ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND GIRLFRIENDS, TELL THEM BIG JAWSHY IS TEARING IT UP ON RTTP AND HE NEEDS TO BE STOPPED. Definitely one of the greatest sentences it's ever been my pleasure to read. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 4:15pm - pam nli ""] BornSoVile said:WHAT A BUNCH OF RIGHT WING CRY BABIES, ALL THIS I'M SMARTER THAN YOU SHIT, YOU GUYS ARE THE BIG EXPERTS ON LEFT WING IDEALOGY. GET OFF THE COMPUTER, PAY YOUR FUCKING BILLS, AND STOP CRYING AND DENYING THAT GEORGE BUSH ISN'T A FAILURE. AND ALL THIS EVERYTHING IS PERFECT, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH AMERICA TALK IS RETARDED AND WILL ULTIMATELY PROVE OUR DOWNFALL. YOU FAGS ARE SCARED THAT SHIT WORKS BETTER THAN DEMOCRACY. SUCK IT UP, GET OVER IT AND MOVE TO UTAH. I AM GOING TO SMOKE POT AND DRINK BEER. I'LL PUT YOU GUYS DOWN ALOT MORE LATER, CALL UP ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND GIRLFRIENDS, TELL THEM BIG JAWSHY IS TEARING IT UP ON RTTP AND HE NEEDS TO BE STOPPED. SERIOUSLY GUYS. I love you. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 7,2006 4:42pm - eddie ""] wow thats retarded, what do you think white people invented war and government? |
| ______________________________ [Apr 7,2006 4:47pm - eddie ""] aren't tribes normally totalitarian? |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 5:19pm - sacreligion ""] it's a shame i already knew i was better than all of you so nothing you say is of consequence |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 6:21pm - infoterror ""] DEMOCRACY IS SO SILLY YOU STILL THINK POLLS MEAN SOMETHING FOOLS COUNT COMMERCIALS INSTEAD WILL HELP PUT YOU TO SLEEP TOO IF ANAL RAPE OF THE METAPHYSICAL KIND DOESN'T JOSTLE YOU |
| _____________________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 7:43pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] If we're going to have a free market system at least go all out and remove all constraints on employers and employees. If some guy is all pissed about not getting a raise the police should not stop him from shooting his boss or the entire payroll office. If someone really wanted them to live don't you think the invisible hand would stop the bullets? |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 9:05pm - HailTheLeaf ""] Man_of_the_Century said:HailTheLeaf said:Isn't that what I just described? Partly... What you described was more of a combination of the two. Anarchism is just getting rid of laws and government. It has nothing to do with living in harmony where everyone does an equal share and gets an equal cut. Riiight, try learning a little more about Anarchism, Emma Goldman mentioned a hell of alot more than just getting rid of laws and government. Anarchism is a set of beliefs, it was developed as a reaction against fascism. And it has plenty to do with co-ops, worker's rights, mutual aid, ending class warfare, and ensuring that the indivdual is involved in making decisions that affect them, or self-government. This would involve getting rid of our current facist, authoritarian institutions. I don't see anything wrong with that...how is that extreme? If you were to have a local vote, you would have to hold an election every other day. How would you include them in the discussions about the laws in order to change them to something you like better? How would you educate the public on what the bills are, what they are for, the reason for making them (thats the big one, cause you still have congressmen that don't know what half of that stuff is)? I guess that would be up to each community to decide...I like the idea of having a barbecue once or twice a month and working everything out then. Again there wouldn't be too many laws to work out because all the bullshit would be gone. Of course it would be easier for this idea to work if the majority of the U.S. weren't horribly overpopulated, apathetic, fat, stupid cows clinging to the idea that they have to continue supporting the very system that enslaves them. |
| ____________________________________________ [Apr 7,2006 10:10pm - Man_of_the_Century ""] HailTheLeaf said:Riiight, try learning a little more about Anarchism, Emma Goldman mentioned a hell of alot more than just getting rid of laws and government. Anarchism is a set of beliefs, it was developed as a reaction against fascism. And it has plenty to do with co-ops, worker's rights, mutual aid, ending class warfare, and ensuring that the indivdual is involved in making decisions that affect them, or self-government. This would involve getting rid of our current facist, authoritarian institutions. I don't see anything wrong with that...how is that extreme? anarchism n. 1. The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished. 2. Active resistance and terrorism against the state, as used by some anarchists. 3. Rejection of all forms of coercive control and authority: “He was inclined to anarchism; he hated system and organization and uniformity” (Bertrand Russell). government n. 1. A system or policy by which a unit is governed. (I only used one cause there's 500 definitions for government and this is the only one that applies) So anarchism is the descruction and lack of control (i.e no government). A government is a system of living set up to "keep the pease". Everything you described about equal work, equal pay is a system of living, therefore a form of government. So tell me... How are they supposed to happen at the same time? Whoever wrote that crap you read doesn't even have the common sence to use a dicionary to make sure she had the right word. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 8,2006 5:22pm - HailTheLeaf ""] Wow, I wasn't aware that everything to be known about Anarchy is all contained in a dictonary definition, truly stunning the amount of infromation that gives about the principles of Anarchy, much more than what I've studied in books and documentarys. I give up, you've totally wowed me with the amazing scope of info there. |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 8,2006 5:33pm - SacreligionNLI ""] go watch slc punk again |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 8,2006 5:37pm - HailTheLeaf ""] I was thinking more along the lines of "Anarchism In America"... |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 8,2006 5:38pm - SacreligionNLI ""] yeah well i'm an asshole and will throw out an insult at first thought |
| __________________________________ [Apr 8,2006 5:54pm - ShadowSD ""] Anarchy as you described it is a wonderful idealogy. However, putting into practice would only work if everyone complies with whatever laws are established by the votes. I don't see a world where EVERYONE is complicit without any enforcement, it just wouldn't happen. (If it could, we could also make democracy work, by voting out both parties and picking non-corrupt candidates to clean up the system). What impartial institution guarantees that everyone in a local vote would be informed of the time and place of the voting? What if the counting of votes was disputed? What if someone, anyone, loses their temper, at any time, over anything? Even if every individual could learn to answer all those questions, and we all held hands and lived in peace, what about people with mental illnesses? What about drug-induced violent fits? I don't see how we can ever unanimously beat all these things, and it would all have to be unanimous for anarchy to work. However, all realism aside, I have to say, I love the theory. It's something important to have as a goal, for even if a goal is impossible in practice, the effort to reach it yields its own rewards. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 8,2006 6:09pm - sacreligion ""] life is constant in the fact that it always changes...if that makes any sense there's no way to attempt to control it because it will find a new way to break free i feel like ian malcolm |