Police Brutality in North Providence during Peaceful Protest.[views:19629][posts:93]______________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 1:10pm - lbprovidence ""] Peacful protest turns ugly yesterday as police brutality sets in... Pictures:http://jonathanmcintosh.smugmug.com/gallery/3293537 yesterday Alex Svoboda (member of High Plains Thunder and the Providence IWW) was the victim of police brutality while participating in the IWW march against Jacky’s Galaxie restaurant in North Providence. After the march started in the right lane of Mineral Spring Ave, the police ordered the march to move to the side. As the march was complying, several officers took the opportunity to make a vicious example of a peaceful protester by her beating her, breaking her left leg, pepper spraying her, and then having the nerve to charge her with assaulting three officers, resisting arrest and obstructing *justice*. Jason “Pliscan” Friedmutter (another member of High Plains Thunder and the Providence IWW) was also arrested for obstructing *justice*. Several other march participants were indiscriminately pepper-sprayed. projo article: http://www.projo.com/news/content/np_protest_08-12-07_MT6NFRJ.339122a.html [img] fuck tha police |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 1:15pm - thegreatspaldino ""] who cares, providence sucks. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 1:18pm - zyklon ""] hahahahahahahahahahaah, it does sucks |
| _____________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 1:21pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] Seeing that girl's leg makes me cringe; that is more than a dislocated knee. Even if she was resisting arrest and "assaulting" 3 police officers (like she could really do that much damage to 3 male police officers who I'm sure have faced much worse), that leg is far too extremely injured for any sort of justification. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 1:42pm - KeithMutiny ""] nothing will happen to the cops. theyre defense will be, "look at the last time we let down our guard, that guy killed a detective in the police station." heres what i have come up with after years of seeing and hearing these stories, don't put yourself in the situation to be made a victim and you dont have to worry about what happens. end of story, be smarter about it, dont run your mouth to the cops, and when they tell you to do something, do it then go about your agenda. be smarter than the cops and you wont end up like this. |
| _____________________________ [Aug 12,2007 1:46pm - cav ""] yea her leg looks like they tackled her from behind or from the side, how else does your leg just bend the wrong way like that. totally fucked. i hate cops so much. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 1:47pm - sxealex ""] yea what the hell happened to her leg... i wish id seen this in action not in freeze frame |
| _________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 1:50pm - sxealex ""] KeithMutiny said:nothing will happen to the cops. theyre defense will be, "look at the last time we let down our guard, that guy killed a detective in the police station." heres what i have come up with after years of seeing and hearing these stories, don't put yourself in the situation to be made a victim and you dont have to worry about what happens. end of story, be smarter about it, dont run your mouth to the cops, and when they tell you to do something, do it then go about your agenda. be smarter than the cops and you wont end up like this. this is the wrong attitude to have. if u are at a protest you want to look like you are being treated unfairly so people will notice. if u follow the rules and resist/get brutalized you kinda win. |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 1:50pm - thegreatspaldino ""] time to photoshop the busted leg pic |
| _____________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 1:58pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] cav said:yea her leg looks like they tackled her from behind or from the side, how else does your leg just bend the wrong way like that. totally fucked. i hate cops so much. To me, it looks like they either kicked her from the side when her foot was firmly planted on the ground, causing her body weight to pivot against the axis of her left leg, or they kicked her really hard from the front and in the process of trying to balance herself, got hit again and just twisted the wrong way. Or 2 officers tackled her simultaneously from 2 different directions. No matter how it happened, it was done with extreme force. I should know, having had both of my knees take several vacations to the wrong side of my legs, haha. |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 1:59pm - thegreatspaldino ""] thats because you're always on them, marcus ;) |
| _____________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 2:00pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] I'm always on vacations? I am confused, Adamus. |
| __________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 2:00pm - powerkok ""] good.....maybe now theyll find something productive to do, instead of 'marching' for a restuaraunt. Fucking Hippies. |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 2:01pm - thegreatspaldino ""] MarkFuckingRichards said:I'm always on vacations? I am confused, Adamus. your knees... you're always on your knees. way to ruin my joke :( |
| __________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 2:02pm - powerkok ""] oh nevermind, they were beaners. Dosent matter, they werent human. |
| _____________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 2:02pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] Haha, are you calling me fat? That's rude. I'm totally not giving you that handy like I promised. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 2:24pm - SkinSandwich ""] The only thing I hate more than cops are the dirty hippies. Good job police! |
| _______________________________ [Aug 12,2007 3:04pm - yummy ""] The people I hate are the ones that make statements about things they know nothing about. They are way worse than hippies or cops. Keith, why (if they felt strongly enough about an issue) shouldn't people protest? In this case I believe it was about Jackie's getting products through a a sweatshop company. I know this always falls under the hippy category of things to worry about and in a forum it's just so much easier to make jokes (as I'm sure I will enjoy the new photoshopped pics) but I would have to take the side of the protesters. Apparently, they weren't moving in the right direction fast enough and the cops wanted to make an example out of her. Wow, way to go. I don't hate cops but these ones make it tough for me not to. Even if he does get suspended, which he probably won't, he'll still get paid. I mean........yeah, fuck everyone that's not me, and fuck hippies and their weird try-to-speak-up-for-what-they-believe-in-attitude. |
| ______________________________ [Aug 12,2007 4:07pm - Lamp ""] Isn't it funny how the people who claim to be most patriotic to a country based on protest are against protest? Still, that girl got pwned. |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 4:13pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Lamp said:Isn't it funny how the people who claim to be most patriotic to a country based on protest are against protest? Still, that girl got pwned. Critical hit. |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 4:24pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] yummy said:The people I hate are the ones that make statements about things they know nothing about. They are way worse than hippies or cops. Keith, why (if they felt strongly enough about an issue) shouldn't people protest? In this case I believe it was about Jackie's getting products through a a sweatshop company. I know this always falls under the hippy category of things to worry about and in a forum it's just so much easier to make jokes (as I'm sure I will enjoy the new photoshopped pics) but I would have to take the side of the protesters. Apparently, they weren't moving in the right direction fast enough and the cops wanted to make an example out of her. Wow, way to go. I don't hate cops but these ones make it tough for me not to. Even if he does get suspended, which he probably won't, he'll still get paid. I mean........yeah, fuck everyone that's not me, and fuck hippies and their weird try-to-speak-up-for-what-they-believe-in-attitude. Moron. Keith didn't say people shouldn't protest. He said you shouldn't get mouthy with cops when they ask you to do something. They also didn't act because the people weren't "moving in the right direction fast enough", it says right in the article that when asked to move the girl was hitting the officers, cursing, and spitting. Keith is completely right. The right to peacefully protest is exactly that. If a cop tells you to move out of the street, or to stop blocking an establishments entrance, you need to shut the fuck up and do it. If you want to argue with the cops, get a lawyer and do it at the appropriate time, in the appropriate place. |
| _______________________________ [Aug 12,2007 4:49pm - yummy ""] First off, thanks for the moron retort. I'm all fixed now. I can see how I was off base after rereading Keith's post(oh my god, I admitted I'm wrong). But, do you really think that's how it happened? The girl was asked to move, then she started hitting, cursing, and spitting. Sounds shady to me. But, hey who knows? |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 4:50pm - HailTheLeaf ""] It's funny how the people we pay to "serve and protect" us often use excessive violence against us at the drop of a hat. Fucking storm troopers. |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 4:55pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] yummy said:But, do you really think that's how it happened? The girl was asked to move, then she started hitting, cursing, and spitting. Uh, no. After reading the article it's a bit plain that she was asked to move, she dallied, they told her to move faster, she argued, they tried to place her under arrest, and she started hitting, cursing, and spitting. Doesn't sound strange at all, shit like this happens all the time, man. You think it sounds sketchy? Look at these protesters. You can't picture her saying "I know my rights, blah blah, I have the right to protest, blah blah!"? Again, the basics: If a cop tells you something, DO IT. Argue LATER. Cops don't know your rights. They don't even know the LAWS. That is a job for judges and attourneys. Cops know one simple thing: if they tell you to do something, you should be doing it. |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 4:57pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] HailTheLeaf said:It's funny how the people we pay to "serve and protect" us often use excessive violence against us at the drop of a hat. Fucking storm troopers. Another useless hippy post from you-know-who, I'm so glad you showed up. You don't pay ANYONE to serve and protect, honey. You pay taxes as a requirement as a U.S. citizen. In turn, a portion of these taxes are used to fund law enforcement and judical agencies, as determine by FREELY ELECTED officials we have (as a majority) selected to represent our views in these matters. In other words, your opinion is too small to count, and I'm damned glad of it. |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:01pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] And in your above view, the cops did in fact try to serve and protect! They were trying to protect the merchant's right to do business freely without obstruction. They were trying to protect the motorists' ability to drive unencumbered on those roads, and they tried to protect the protesters' right to peacefully protest while trying to prevent any tragic accidents due to 100 people meandering in a public roadway. And when a girl got mouthy and unappreciative, they broke the fat cunt's leg. Frankly, I'm surprised we don't see a lot more of this, considering how many people like yourself like to blindly shit on cops just trying to do their jobs. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:01pm - diamond_dave ""] ArrowHead likes Pie said: it says right in the article that when asked to move the girl was hitting the officers, cursing, and spitting. just because a cop said it doesn't mean it happened. cops say lots of things. i wasn't there, so i don't know but i bet the truth lies somewhere between the two stories. it always does. Keith is completely right. The right to peacefully protest is exactly that. If a cop tells you to move out of the street, or to stop blocking an establishments entrance, you need to shut the fuck up and do it. If you want to argue with the cops, get a lawyer and do it at the appropriate time, in the appropriate place. the police department's job is to represent the law, not to BE the law. if a dumb pig asks me to stop doing something that's not illegal, i have no obligation to obey him or her. it's true that it's EASIER to shut the fuck up and move along. that's what they want. that's why a lot of people become cops...they're power-thirsty. and because people blindly obey anyone with a badge and a gun, they act in ways that are above the law, such as 3 men taking down a girl and snapping her leg in half. and they get away with it because people like some of the people here think that every time a pig says "jump" we should ask "how high?" people assume that cops are trained to use restraint and not to judge and to anticipate and diffuse confrontation. many do. some do not. if a cop is acting belligerent/violent/otherwise unnecessarily angry, it is our responsibility as the people whom they are supposed to protect (not to mention who pay their salaries) to call them out on it. fuck punk cops. |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:02pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] yummy said:First off, thanks for the moron retort. Sorry about that, it was kind of uncalled for. |
| __________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:02pm - powerkok ""] She needs to be gangraped by drug crazed PeTA members, while wearing a crown of thorns, before she will see the light. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:02pm - HailTheLeaf ""] Exactly, we pay their salaries thru taxes, we provide their income and they return the favor by giving us speeding tickets and beating us up. |
| __________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:03pm - powerkok ""] Guys.....youre giving this subject actual thought. They were beaners, no one mattered. |
| __________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:05pm - powerkok ""] HailTheLeaf said:Exactly, we pay their salaries thru taxes, we provide their income and they return the favor by giving us speeding tickets and beating us up. They dont beat me up.....Ive never had a problem with a cop, because I know when to shut my fucking mouth. You on the other hand, obviously NEED a beating. And speeding tickets are given out on a quota basis, that is regulated by city officials, not cops. |
| __________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:08pm - powerkok ""] AND..... This country was not formed on protest, it was formed on revolution. Theres a big difference between a smelly line of hippie/yuppies that whine about something that really dosent matter, and a line of minutemen ready to fight for land they already fought for once. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:10pm - diamond_dave ""] ArrowHead likes Pie said: Cops don't know your rights. They don't even know the LAWS. That is a job for judges and attourneys. Cops know one simple thing: if they tell you to do something, you should be doing it. i saw this after i wrote my long-ass post. i agree with you, i think we're on different sides of the same coin. my opinion is cops better damned well know the laws they are paid to enforce. if a particular officer doesn't, i might be the one to call him out on it. i'll deal with the fact that it will most likely piss him off and that he'll try to make my life a living hell for a few minutes. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:11pm - diamond_dave ""] powerkok said: This country was not formed on protest, it was formed on revolution. I'm pretty sure the Boston Tea Party and the sinking of the Gaspee are sort of important to our country's heritage. They were beaners, no one mattered. Do you really feel that way? |
| __________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:16pm - powerkok ""] diamond_dave said:powerkok said:Guys.....youre giving this subject actual thought. They were beaners, no one mattered. do you really feel that way? No, that was my comic relief. Ok Yes. Yes I do. this is why: 'The protest group included students from Brown, Providence College and Rhode Island College, other Rhode Islanders of various ages, and Balthazar Ramos, of New York, who said he worked for the supply company for two years but was fired for his union involvement. Ramos said he worked 112 hours per week, was paid $4.90 per hour, and was not compensated for overtime.' Would you work 112 hours a week for 4.90 an hour if you were a legal US citizen that had any more than a 1/4 of a brain? I feel no sympathy for that toolbox. Also..... 'Their complaints were not specifically with the restaurant, but with Dragon Land Trading, a New York-based restaurant supply company from which Jacky’s buys.' Thats like protesting communism, at Wal-Mart, because they sell Chinese products. |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:20pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] HailTheLeaf said:Exactly, we pay their salaries thru taxes, No. Again, you are "Paying" no one. We provide the taxes. Their salaries are provided by the REPRESENTATIVES that WE ELECT. WE, not you, pay their salaries through VOTING! Again, in this matter it just seems that your opinion was too small to count. |
| __________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:26pm - powerkok ""] diamond_dave said:powerkok said: This country was not formed on protest, it was formed on revolution. I'm pretty sure the Boston Tea Party and the sinking of the Gaspee are sort of important to our country's heritage. This, while somewhat true, was hardly done for the same reasons protests are done today. Yes, they were technically 'protests' they werent designed to retort against a very minor hardship, such as some of these bullshit hippie whack job lines, they were designed to gain a psychological edge in order to win a war. Big difference. |
| _______________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:26pm - yummy ""] yummy said:<<First off, thanks for the moron retort.>> Sorry about that, it was kind of uncalled for. I'm over it. I was really just saying that I don't take anybody's word for it and you'd be naive to assume the article is 100% accurate. Which is why I ended with "who knows?". |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:27pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""] diamond_dave said: my opinion is cops better damned well know the laws they are paid to enforce. Unfortunately, while this would be great it is unlikely. State and Federal law that it would take years of study and practice to learn. Law school it tens of thousands of dollars. We can't afford to give this to cops, we'd end up with like one cop in every city. People look at cops like they're judge dread. It's more like CHips: They go in to their shift, a supervisor gives them an agenda for the day, and they go out and do it. If you find yourself on their agenda, you do what they SAY when they SAY IT because they have a job to do. They can't go back to the station and tell their supervisor "Oh, well we tried to tell ms. Hail The Leaf to move onto the sidewalk, but she informed us that 'she knows her rights' and refused. So we left." You want to argue RIGHTS and LAWS, you need a lawyer. Cops are trained in how to control, incapacitate, arrest, and detain people. The law is not their concern, they just do as they are instructed. |
| _______________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:28pm - yummy ""] Hailtheleaf, you cannot be defended on this one. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 5:28pm - diamond_dave ""] powerkok said:Would you work 112 hours a week for 4.90 an hour if you were a legal US citizen that had any more than a 1/4 of a brain? I feel no sympathy for that toolbox. I sort of agree, but would tend to blame the boss/company/system that allows this to happen more than I would the individual. It's probably still more than he was making at home, and he surely didn't know what his rights were. Now that he does, he doesn't work there anymore. I have a friend who was born in Mexico and lived there for 18 years before coming here to work (legally). He told me that the reason why many Mexicans come here to work is because at least if you work more hours, you get paid more. In Mexico, they pay you whatever they want. This is why a lot of immigrants come here and work for low hourly rates, in the stead of an American or someone else who knows their rights. The two most important points in my opinion are: 1) yes, a person should know his rights in the country in which he is residing. 2) blame the system, not the honest man trying to make an honest living. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 8:14pm - KeithMutiny ""] hey, if your gonna do it, grow some balls and at least do it right. In the words of the great hippocryte(sp?) band known as Aus Rotten... "They ignore protest But can they ignore a city on fire It's time to do more than talk When they ignore peaceful protest They ignore protest But can they ignore a burning police car It's time to do more than talk When they ignore peaceful protest They ignore signs and marches But can they ignore bricks and rocks It's time to do more than talk When they ignore peaceful protest" |
| ________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 8:17pm - NIGGER ""] http://jonathanmcintosh.smugmug.com/gallery/3293537/1/183099725/Medium THAT IS NO DISLOCATED KNEE TIME FOR REVOLUTION BUT NOT A LEFTIST ONE OR WE'LL END UP FUCKED LIKE USSR |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 8:19pm - KeithMutiny ""] yea, thats gonna require majory surgery. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 8:49pm - sxealex ""] im responsible for all of this. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 8:49pm - sxealex ""] ::APPLAUSE:: |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 8:52pm - KeithMutiny ""] i knew it all along. |
| __________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 9:33pm - Dankill ""] Keith has it right. I've never had a problem with cops EVEN in some situations where shit could get out of hand. DO WHAT THEY SAY AND STAY OUT OF THERE WAY! Easy as hell. Plus, I hate hippies. |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 12,2007 11:47pm - lbprovidence ""] This post wasnt intended for assholes who dont care ANYTHING to complain about "hippies" or peace punks fighting for a cause they believe in or helping do somthing for the organization they belong to, no matter what the issue was or how they went about it. I posted this because Alex was a friend of mine and a sweet fucking kid, it didnt matter if she talked back to or stuggled with cops who have anger management issues. Its fucked up whatever she did, or didnt do, got them heated enough to break her fucking bones, she didnt deserve what happened to her. She was no threat to the police and im sure she did not instigate the comfrontation. I just hope everyone here can sympathize with her and learn from this. police burtality happens everywhere all the time and I hope we can avoid situations like this while speaking of or acting upon whatever we feel is right anywhere at any time. cops will never exist to protect "you". Be careful. |